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    The US is under assault and the assailants are hiding under the guise of social justice. They say these statues need to be down due to the person they represent being a slave owner or guilty of some evil. While many early explorers and leaders of this land had their faults, they also did a lot of good. They helped get this nation started and gave it the tools needed to be a more perfect union. Many of these markers are there in remembrance of either what happened or what they did. Taking them down denies the opportunity for people to discuss what they did right and what they did wrong.

    Taking these markers down is not about getting ride of "old white racists" but it is in fact the start to transform the US into a leftist paradise and erase the republic. This happens every time there is a communist revolution. The statues go, the streets renames and then finally the history is changed to reflect their world view. Don't believe me? Go ask any person who lived during the socialist take over in Venezuela, or any other nation that suffered a take over. History books will be next along with religion.

    They believe the US must be torn down and rebuilt by their hands and what little freedoms we will have will be what they decide we will have. The will not be for freedom of speech or religion nor any other right the Founders believed came from God.

    For any of you cheering this on, remember my warnings when they come for you. If they are not stopped, it will happen.

  • #2
    A Different Perspective:
    Unfortunately, it was never a more perfect union for people of color and while I don't agree with the removal of many of these monuments, I understand how groups have co-opted an opportunity to do so. The time to discuss what these "founders" did right or wrong has now passed in the eyes of many, so they do what they believe will get attention and that is resort to violence. African American contributions to the founding and building of the U.S. as a nation were never part of the history books... At least when I was in grade school, middle school and high school. So many believe that U.S. history as written needs to be correctly re-written with respect to the contributions in the formation of this republic by ALL Americans!

    America has a history of using fear to control people of color. We're seen as violent, lazy, inhuman and in many instances... sub-human! We're told how we "should behave" and react to oppression which is deftly apparent when looking at what is currently taking place in this country. Many see no harm and regard the monuments as well as the confederate flag as part of American history, while disregarding the violence and symbolism many Americans have been subjected to. I find it interesting that people defend the right for these symbols to remain, because of their significance in American history, while at the same time devaluing the negative history and impact these symbols have on fellow Americans.

    Why is it okay that many in America can champion symbols which represent violence and a lifestyle which negatively impacts fellow Americans? Many say in their eyes, the symbols do not represent that to them so they must be okay? When Kapernick took a knee to bring attention to police violence perpetrated against people of color, he was told that act was disrespectful to the flag and those who have served to protect the freedoms of this country. My father fought in the Korean war and like many people of color before him, who fought in WWII and WWI to ensure we're able to enjoy the freedoms the flag represents. Unfortunately, when they returned home from war, those freedoms did not apply to them and many who were seen publicly in uniform were often brutalized! That is part of the American history and the truth of the LACK of freedoms that the flag represented for (Americans) people of color who died fighting to defend those freedoms!

    Can we say the flag TRULY represents freedom for ALL Americans? When Mr Brooks was murdered by Police in Atlanta, the Police union claims due process isn't being followed and its a rush to judgement. Where was Mr Brook's due process? The Police had all his information, his car and ultimately his home address. He did not commit a violent crime and was not a threat to society, so if he ran and got away the Police could easily issue a warrant to have him arrested later. But the Police did not afford Mr. Brooks due process, they became judge, jury and ultimately his executioner. There is a different reality on how justice is meted out in America based upon the color of one's skin... Due process MUST be followed if you commit a crime and you're not a person of color. If you are a person of color, the Police are free to violate ones due process by becoming judge, jury and executioner which happens far too often and no one bats an eye!

    So many times the response to people of color simply wanting to enjoy these guaranteed freedoms for ALL Americans has been, "If you don't like it here, why don't you go home (back to Africa)"... America is home! I believe that ALL men are created equal and don't think fear mongering, race bating or divisiveness through language, ideas and political affiliation provides the necessary solutions... jus my thoughts!

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    • angryguy77
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      Idk where you went to school, but I learned about black people who contributed great things. Yes, the flag does represent ALL people. Our past was not perfect, but we shed blood and worked to make sure that we treat everyone with the respect they deserve. No nation is perfect and no nation was formed without expansion and war. Yet for some reason, those on the left want to keep digging up the past in order to change our future. Name me a country that fought a civil war to end slavery....I'll wait. Name another nation that has done more to rectify it's past sins. We have spent trillions on social programs since the 60's in an effort to help minorities.

      Sure our founders were not perfect men, but who among us is? Are we so arrogant to say that this generation is so perfect that it has a right to erase those from the past who don't live up to their standards? We can look at a statue of Washington or Jefferson and say that we are celebrating the fact they helped birth a nation that has been a beacon of freedom for centuries. We can look at them and remember that they helped create a system of gov that allowed for slavery to end and allowed for all people to eventually be treated equally.

      There is currently 9.2 million slaves held in Africa at the moment. Should we ban anything celebrating Africa? Should we stop foreign aid until the continent stops it? Where does it end?

      I mean no disrespect, but your statement on Brooks leads me to believe that this will be fruitless discussion as you believe that the police should just let people go if they struggle. Brooks drove intoxicated to the Wendy's and could've killed some innocent people. He showed that he was already a threat by being on the road in that state. he showed that he was a threat by looking to harm an officer. In his state of mind, how do you know he wasn't going to cause any further harm to anyone? He could have stolen a car thinking he needed to get away fast. Who knows, but to sit here and say they should've just let him go, that is nonsense. He fired a weapon at the cop. How do you know that he wasn't going to try and get the gun had he been successful with the taser? You don't want to get shot, then don't attack an officer.


      I'm not here saying that we can't be better. I won't claim that everything is perfect. What I do know is destroying the country that has afforded so much to so many is not going to end well for anyone. As I said above, this is a revolution using race as a trojan horse. They're targeting statues of abolitionists, while not touching Lenin?

      If we took down the statues and we erased the founders from our history, will minorities suddenly not experience racism? Will black families have fathers stay around rather than a 60% rate of absence? Will minorities finish school instead of a high drop out rate? If you want minorities to be lifted up, then these things are what need to be addressed. Tearing down our past will fix none of the hardships minorities face in our country.
      Last edited by angryguy77; 07-06-2020, 08:17 PM.

    • splay912
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      One side of you says American history is important while the other is saying the "Left" keeps digging up the past. So it's okay to look back as long as the monuments and viewpoints are preserved? In reality, looking into the past is often the catalyst to change the future and America is a country that fought a civil war to end slavery in order to change the future. I was a beneficiary of those social programs, but now funding of social programs are seen as a pariah. Many of the same verbiage and ideas regarding the changing of "our future" were utilized during the 60's civil rights movement. While I don't believe your use of "our future" was meant in an exclusionary way, nonetheless it was also part of the lexicon and impedance used by the Confederacy as sort of a rallying call for the Civil War. Their (The Confederacy) future or vision of the future was being threatened by those looking at past history and deciding the future needs to be/look different.

      The Confederacy rebelled against the very flag representing this nation and lost, yet somehow they're heroes? Their vision was to keep people of color subjugated and had they won, America would be a very different union. I'm not in favor of pulling down monuments or changing the names of everything to erase America's past sins. But, name changes and monument removals DO NOT erase those individuals from history. Although Germany has no monuments to Hitler, has his history been erased... Fortunately no. So contrary to your belief and the messaging being disseminated from certain corners of this country, removal of statues and monuments will not erase racism OR the history attached to these historical items.

      If you believe everyone in the country is treated equally, I'm not sure you'll ever be capable of understanding experiences people of color endure in this country. My statement on Brooks was confined to a singular event, but somehow you extrapolated that "you believe that the police should just let people go if they struggle" which is not what I said or meant. Obviously threat was involved, but are there not levels to accessing any threat? How do you know he was going to cause harm to anyone else? He could of simply run away and/or called someone to pick him up. Doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong, just means Brooks did not have to be killed for his actions on that evening. If you somehow believe the same result would happen if Brooks skin was white, then you have little understanding of the relationship between Police and people of color. Which has already been revealed by your comment; "You don't want to get shot, then don't attack an officer."

      That is ALWAYS the de facto solution given by individuals whose skin is not brown. If they didn't commit a crime, why did they run? If they're innocent, why not comply? No amount of explanation will change that viewpoint, so I simply won't try to explain. So there is this idea that the Police are ALWAYS justified in their treatment against people of color. The justice system is ALWAYS justified in its verdicts when sentences for crack cocaine usage are/were more severe than powder cocaine which was considered a drug du jour of "the elite". These are just two indicators of just how unequally people of color are treated versus non brown skin citizens in this country.

      In reality, an agenda of fear against people of color is what this country has ALWAYS used as a control mechanism... After slavery and still to this day, there is a message of fear. They want to take your daughters, they will destroy your neighborhoods, they will bring your property value down etc. etc. etc. The right continues to peddle these ideas and fears, while the left... Well you already have your understanding and thoughts about their agenda. My point is, each entity whether left, right, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN, CNBC, Breitbart, BLM, Antifa, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and on and on and on, they ALL have an agenda! The question then becomes... Am I intelligent enough to weed through the bullcrap and not get mesmerized by all the shiny objects each entity presents!!!

      With regards to issues facing minorities in this country and how to resolve them. Until citizens in this country stop painting entities and communities with a broad brush, nothing will really change. There is NO desire to find common a ground, only to keep and maintain. Language such as Left and Right is the new Black and White or Us and Them in so many ways and it simply perpetuates division. You quote statistics as if those two facets are the solution to the hardships minorities face in this country, but I was raised in a household with both parents, my mother and father had both their parents. My family members have graduated high school, have degrees in a multitude of disciplines, yet we still endure stigmas and have assumptions made because of our skin color, from negative statements about blacks being applied to ALL blacks with a broad brush.

      Finally, although the thread has since been deleted, I remember early on in this pandemic your comments echoing those who were quick to point out that the pandemic was ravishing the states of incompetent liberal leaders. Now that the pandemic is ravishing the states of conservative leaders, it would seem to be a time to unite and try to comprehensively gain control of this pandemic. But alas... It's still us versus them, mask no mask, open versus close, etc. etc. Until we stop looking at citizens as "other", until we stop seeing citizens who do not look like us as threats, until the ideas that people of color should just shut up and be grateful... Nothing will really change!

  • #3
    Originally posted by angryguy77 View Post
    The US is under assault and the assailants are hiding under the guise of social justice. They say these statues need to be down due to the person they represent being a slave owner or guilty of some evil. While many early explorers and leaders of this land had their faults, they also did a lot of good. They helped get this nation started and gave it the tools needed to be a more perfect union. Many of these markers are there in remembrance of either what happened or what they did. Taking them down denies the opportunity for people to discuss what they did right and what they did wrong.

    Taking these markers down is not about getting ride of "old white racists" but it is in fact the start to transform the US into a leftist paradise and erase the republic. This happens every time there is a communist revolution. The statues go, the streets renames and then finally the history is changed to reflect their world view. Don't believe me? Go ask any person who lived during the socialist take over in Venezuela, or any other nation that suffered a take over. History books will be next along with religion.

    They believe the US must be torn down and rebuilt by their hands and what little freedoms we will have will be what they decide we will have. The will not be for freedom of speech or religion nor any other right the Founders believed came from God.

    For any of you cheering this on, remember my warnings when they come for you. If they are not stopped, it will happen.
    nah, you're just someone who probably lives in a bubble and have no idea what its like for many minorities in the U.S. Not gonna say I agree with everything people are doing but I can understand why people are angry.






    Originally posted by splay912 View Post
    A Different Perspective:
    Unfortunately, it was never a more perfect union for people of color and while I don't agree with the removal of many of these monuments, I understand how groups have co-opted an opportunity to do so. The time to discuss what these "founders" did right or wrong has now passed in the eyes of many, so they do what they believe will get attention and that is resort to violence. African American contributions to the founding and building of the U.S. as a nation were never part of the history books... At least when I was in grade school, middle school and high school. So many believe that U.S. history as written needs to be correctly re-written with respect to the contributions in the formation of this republic by ALL Americans!

    America has a history of using fear to control people of color. We're seen as violent, lazy, inhuman and in many instances... sub-human! We're told how we "should behave" and react to oppression which is deftly apparent when looking at what is currently taking place in this country. Many see no harm and regard the monuments as well as the confederate flag as part of American history, while disregarding the violence and symbolism many Americans have been subjected to. I find it interesting that people defend the right for these symbols to remain, because of their significance in American history, while at the same time devaluing the negative history and impact these symbols have on fellow Americans.

    Why is it okay that many in America can champion symbols which represent violence and a lifestyle which negatively impacts fellow Americans? Many say in their eyes, the symbols do not represent that to them so they must be okay? When Kapernick took a knee to bring attention to police violence perpetrated against people of color, he was told that act was disrespectful to the flag and those who have served to protect the freedoms of this country. My father fought in the Korean war and like many people of color before him, who fought in WWII and WWI to ensure we're able to enjoy the freedoms the flag represents. Unfortunately, when they returned home from war, those freedoms did not apply to them and many who were seen publicly in uniform were often brutalized! That is part of the American history and the truth of the LACK of freedoms that the flag represented for (Americans) people of color who died fighting to defend those freedoms!

    Can we say the flag TRULY represents freedom for ALL Americans? When Mr Brooks was murdered by Police in Atlanta, the Police union claims due process isn't being followed and its a rush to judgement. Where was Mr Brook's due process? The Police had all his information, his car and ultimately his home address. He did not commit a violent crime and was not a threat to society, so if he ran and got away the Police could easily issue a warrant to have him arrested later. But the Police did not afford Mr. Brooks due process, they became judge, jury and ultimately his executioner. There is a different reality on how justice is meted out in America based upon the color of one's skin... Due process MUST be followed if you commit a crime and you're not a person of color. If you are a person of color, the Police are free to violate ones due process by becoming judge, jury and executioner which happens far too often and no one bats an eye!

    So many times the response to people of color simply wanting to enjoy these guaranteed freedoms for ALL Americans has been, "If you don't like it here, why don't you go home (back to Africa)"... America is home! I believe that ALL men are created equal and don't think fear mongering, race bating or divisiveness through language, ideas and political affiliation provides the necessary solutions... jus my thoughts!
    What a lot of people don't know about that Kaepernick kneeling thing is that a U.S. soldier is the one who actually is responsible for him kneeling. Kaepernick used to sit and refused to stand until he and that soldier had a conversation about why he refused to stand, and the soldier said he understands and suggested that he kneel because that what we(the military) do to show respect for our fallen comrades, so it was after that he started to kneel. It never had anything to do with the flag. It was always about injustices that we see in our country and how he feels about it. I commend him for his bravery to do something like that. A lot of young pro athletes don't give a shit about anything outside of themselves.

    As for the rest of your post, I agree with pretty much everything you said. I served this country alongside some good brave men who aren't all white, and I have personally witnessed them being treated different when we weren't in uniform. Shit like this has been happening too long in this country and people are fed up. Some things need to change. The saddest part is that we have a person in the White house who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself. He could be the voice of reason but instead he chooses to throw gasoline on the fire. We made a huge mistake when we put this guy in charge of the country.
    Last edited by crazyspecops!!; 06-25-2020, 07:38 PM.

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    • angryguy77
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      "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"....................Right I'm in a bubble. If it's not about the flag, then there is no need to make that display while the flag is being honored.

      We had a black president who's party had full control of the government for 2 years. Instead of actually pushing for police reform, he stirred the pot and caused unrest. Beer summits etc were weak showings. Liberals have been running these cities where all this racists stuff happens and yet, not one of you will ever blame them. Somehow, it's the right that has no political power in these towns be the reason for systemic racism(bogus term btw).

    • splay912
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      "systemic racism(bogus term btw)"
      Interesting... Redlining still exists within the system in new forms, gentrification still exists within the system. There are still instances where two candidates (one black, one white), and all things being equal, the white candidate is considered the safer hire simply because of skin color. Not saying it is the norm in today's America, but it does still exist within the system!

    • crazyspecops!!
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      @angryguy77
      You are in a bubble. The one that cant see past your own ignorance. People have lost their lives in service to our country. They fought for freedom of speech and expression, even when you dont agree. You have a right to voice your anger or displeasure about how Kaepernick expresses his feelings. You may not like it when he or anyone else kneels for the flag, but just because you don't doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to voice his opinion about injustices like police brutality(which does still exist) in our country. I could understand how it would be disrespectful if he was dancing, joking around or on the phone or something like that but he is protesting "peacefully". If the KKK, white nationalist and Black Lives matter have a right to protest(sometimes with uncalled for violence) then i don't see why its such a problem for him to express himself for that 1 minute and 57 seconds. There are some things that are bigger than football and sometimes even the flag. The thing thats supposed to stand for freedom. Or is it just the flag is important only on Sundays. It sure seems that way.



      As for your asinine comment about "black president". Look, i would be lying if I said that i was a big supporter of President Obama because i didn't agree with everything he said or did. Heck, i didn't even vote for him, but if you compare him with this idiot we have running the country right now, its clear Obama was much better than this bigoted, draft dodging lying phony we have in the white house right now. As a matter of fact, they aren't event close to the same level when it comes to intellect. You are clearly a trump supporter and in this day and age it wouldn't surprise me if you hold the same values as him. I can see why a person like you would think systemic or any sort or racism is bogus or doesnt exist because it probably doesn't affect you. I cant see Japan from where i am but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

      Our country has a lot of issues and its not just the fault of Liberals or Conservatives. If you really think that the cities that have Liberals governors or mayors are having these problems then you are mistaken. Our biggest problem right now is that we have a lack of leadership on all levels of government. But then again, you are a Trump supporter and you probably believe everything he says like "the Coronavirus is going to disappear and it will be beautiful".
      Last edited by crazyspecops!!; 07-26-2020, 08:32 PM.

    • angryguy77
      Editing a comment
      Was obama's economy better than Trumps(pre scamdemic)?
      Are we in more or less conflicts around the globe?
      Are we allowing illegals to pour in and overload our system in a greater degree now?
      Yes, clearly the record unemployment, surging stock market, and increased sovereignty is such a downgrade from the clown who held office before. I so wish we could go back to the days where we are destroying our domestic energy infrastructure, giving bonuses to gov employees based on the number of welfare recipients they signed up, being forced to buy gov approved insurance, making bad deals with terrorist states like Iran, and allowing China to overtake us. I mean, who wouldn't want that deal! It doesn't matter if our nation was stuck in a malaise, we at least had a president who didn't say mean things our fragile selves couldn't handle!




      Show me evidence of systematic racism. I don't want a copy and paste NPR or CNN article. Show me solid evidence. Tell me how you've encountered it. Show me how our system keeps minorities down and out of the work place.

      Is it rich white guys causing the black family to have an astronomical amount of childless fathers? Are these same rich dudes forcing blacks to drop out of school at higher rates being born in to unwed homes?

      There was racism in our country at one time. It infested many levels, that I will not deny. However, the plague that afflicts minorities in our country is not due to this boogyman. It is due to people like LBJ who said when passing the war on poverty legislation "we'll keep these n*****rs voting democrat for decades." It's the welfare state creating cycles of dependence locking the poor of all color into a system that is hard to escape. The plight of the modern day minority is not due to racism from the right or a troubled past in our country. It is directly the result of liberals and their policies. The left has been promising to "fix" all of this for over 50 years. Trillions of dollars later, things are getting worse, not better. At some point, you leftists need to have a come to Jesus moment and realize you failed at lifting the black community up.

      What I don't understand is how you've managed to twist my words that Kaep doesn't have the right to his opinion. He does and he can protest all he wants. However he cannot claim it's about the flag when he chooses to kneel when the flag is being honored. He even mentioned it was about the flag way in the beginning. Lets just ignore that and run with the new narrative though. He's protesting a flag and by extension, telling us that this nation is something that it is not. We are not a evil country. We are not a country where the vast majority of cops are killing indiscriminately. The numbers prove this.

      This guy whines about police brutality and human rights, yet he signs a mega deal with Nike who are in bed with China. You have all been played by a washed up race baiter, but hey, you feel like a good person giving him a thumbs up! That is what matters. There is a time and a place for politics. Maybe some people just want to escape life for a few hours on Sun. But nope, you libs can't let that happen. You have to inject it into EVERYTHING. I don't want to see a left or right messages being given before, during, or after the game. I just want to see a football game without twats like bob costas preaching about gun control at half time. I'd like to watch movie or tv show without some leftist garbage shoved in. Now they're coming for gaming.

      It's not that I think these cities burning are being run by liberals, they ARE being run by liberals this is a fact. That is unless you think Sea, Minneapolis and Chi are some meccas of conservatism.

      It is not conservatives asking for police to be taken out of the inner city and be replaced with social workers. It is not the right comparing the looting and violence to the Boston Tea Party. It is not my side who is championing a marxist org like BLM. I'm sorry, you don't get to pin this on the right. We are not the one's using a tragedy to bring about a cultural revolution. We are not the ones wanting to demonize all of America and erase its past. We are not the ones defacing Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas. That is the left.

      If you look at the stats of police brutality, as well as killings, you would see that the narrative going on is based on lies.
      You can go ahead and insult my intelligence about Trump all you want, that will not change the fact I have truth and am guided by that truth. You have feelings and believe whatever would rather be liked than informed.

    • splay912
      Editing a comment
      Herein lies the problem... you and many make plenty of assumptions based upon facts rooted in ignorance, because it suits or supports a "narrative".

      "Show me evidence of systematic racism. I don't want a copy and paste NPR or CNN article. Show me solid evidence. Tell me how you've encountered it. Show me how our system keeps minorities down and out of the work place."

      I was standing at a bus stop waiting for public transportation after attending an employee picnic. Several police and undercover officers grabbed me saying... where is it? I said where is what? They took the two bags I was carrying and dumped its contents on the ground. One bag had food from the picnic and the other had albums. They continued to ask me... Where is it? I responded that I had no idea what they we're talking about. They pinned me against the wall, removed my wallet, took my I.D. and stated that I would need to go to the Police station if I wanted to retrieve my I.D.. Turns out, some women's purse had been snatched and the only thing I had in common with the perpetrators description was beige color shorts. Skin color didn't match, shirt color didn't match, height didn't match but the color of my shorts did, so the police went with that... I guess one match out of four ain't bad!

      My son was sitting with some friends on the steps located on the side of the high school. Police show up, single him out and cuff him. They stated someone called and complained about them sitting there. My son being the only kid of color there wasn't cuffed because of the color of his skin, he was the ONLY one cuffed because like his friends, he was simply a citizen of America. Unlike his friends, he chooses to serve his country but, when his military uniform isn't on he's considered a threat!

      I'm sure you can relate to this if you have any children, but especially if you have sons. You have "the talk" with them about being pulled over by police. You explain the encounter is more likely because they're a citizen of America, than the hue of their skin and living in a predominantly white suburb.

      I could go on and on about encounters, but what I find interesting is, it doesn't matter the evidence or what encounters we have (And there is a preponderance of evidence and documented encounters) the evidence and encounters are quite often dismissed or detached from our skin color. So despite the evidence, you and many in America are quite dismissive while at the same time presenting facts which suits or supports a certain narrative.

      For example... I find your statement "Is it rich white guys causing the black family to have an astronomical amount of childless fathers? Are these same rich dudes forcing blacks to drop out of school at higher rates being born in to unwed homes?" fascinating!
      On one hand you state that systemic racism is a fallacy and despite the preponderance of facts which support such an argument, you request empirical evidence. At the same time, you provide NO evidence to support your statement about "childless fathers" (Which I don't even know what that is because being a father is associated with having a child), NO evidence to support "blacks to drop out of school at higher rates being born into unwed homes?" Because there is an assumption that the "facts as you've come to know them" are empirically true, therefore no evidence required. But I get it, because in human nature, if it's not happening directly to you, it's easily explained away just like the "scamdemic".

      "However, the plague that afflicts minorities in our country is not due to this boogyman. It is due to people like LBJ who said when passing the war on poverty legislation "we'll keep these n*****rs voting democrat for decades." It's the welfare state creating cycles of dependence locking the poor of all color into a system that is hard to escape. The plight of the modern day minority is not due to racism from the right or a troubled past in our country. It is directly the result of liberals and their policies."

      https://fortunly.com/statistics/welfare-statistics/
      Not sure where you came up with "racism from the right", but the plight of the modern day minority is rooted in the troubled past of our country. You believe abolishing the "welfare state" is the solution for modern day minorities? The welfare state of which 43% are white, creates cycles of dependence for poor... What about the 13 million people living in poverty who don't receive ANY benefits from the welfare program? The average welfare recipient receives $127 per month for food stamps... What an incredible dependence creating figure! Most families can't survive on $127 a month in food stamps. What about the disproportionate lack of job and educational opportunities facing the poor of ALL color? The problem with the facts to support your narrative, is they're rooted in ignorance. They're simplified as a solution to a more complicated situation.

      "We are not a country where the vast majority of cops are killing indiscriminately. The numbers prove this."
      Of course, but people of color are discriminately and disproportionately victims of excessive use of force and police brutality. Thus the call to look at police budgets to determine if those budgets indiscriminately benefit the communities they serve! Does the community require a militarized police presence or could the money used to buy militarized gear be better used elsewhere? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that people of color have experienced MANY negative encounters with police that don't always involve a crime!

      https://www.thoughtco.com/facts-abou...d-race-3026198
      While there are more white than black people in this data, the percentage of those who are black far out-paces the percentage of those who are black in the general population—24 percent versus 13 percent. Meanwhile, white people comprise about 78 percent of our national population, but just under 32 percent of those killed. This means that black people are more likely to be killed by police, while white, Hispanic/Latino, Asian, and Native American are less likely.

      So according to the link above, Blacks represent 13% of the general population, yet 24% of police killings. Whites represent 78% of the national population, but just under 32% are killed by police. So just taking 32% are white and 24% are black, you could "skew reality" by removing them from the actual percentages of the population which each make up.

      I'm registered as an independent voter and not sure of what "truth" you speak of and claim to operate from, but you seem to champion that America is better divided and admit I could be wrong about that. An interesting question was posed about red and blue states being two separate countries. *SPOILER* The conclusion was that the nation was stronger when unified!
      https://www.quora.com/If-the-red-sta...s%20California.

      Peace!
      Last edited by splay912; 08-13-2020, 06:50 PM.

  • #4
    angryguy77
    We did have a better economy under the Obama administration. Not only was it better , he actually brought us back from a recession. I guess you must of been in a coma during 2008 - 2016.


    There was racism in our country at one time. It infested many levels, that I will not deny. However, the plague that afflicts minorities in our country is not due to this boogyman. It is due to people like LBJ who said when passing the war on poverty legislation "we'll keep these n*****rs voting democrat for decades." It's the welfare state creating cycles of dependence locking the poor of all color into a system that is hard to escape. The plight of the modern day minority is not due to racism from the right or a troubled past in our country. It is directly the result of liberals and their policies. The left has been promising to "fix" all of this for over 50 years. Trillions of dollars later, things are getting worse, not better. At some point, you leftists need to have a come to Jesus moment and realize you failed at lifting the black community up.
    First of all im not a leftist. See the problem with you Trump supporters is that you like to label anyone who doesn't see eye to eye with your bigotry. Dont try and blame all our problems on one side. You right wingers are always trying to blame all our problems on Democrats when the truth is that both sides are to blame. The idiot you support that we have in the white house isnt a Democrat. Well, he was until he realized that he would never get the nomination. So he went with the party thats full of Bigots like yourself because he knew that people like you are just like him. A Bigot.



    What I don't understand is how you've managed to twist my words that Kaep doesn't have the right to his opinion. He does and he can protest all he wants. However he cannot claim it's about the flag when he chooses to kneel when the flag is being honored. He even mentioned it was about the flag way in the beginning. Lets just ignore that and run with the new narrative though. He's protesting a flag and by extension, telling us that this nation is something that it is not. We are not a evil country. We are not a country where the vast majority of cops are killing indiscriminately. The numbers prove this.
    When did he ever say that the vast majority of cops were killing indiscriminately and it was about the flag? See now, you are lying just like your hero, Trump.

    This guy whines about police brutality and human rights, yet he signs a mega deal with Nike who are in bed with China. You have all been played by a washed up race baiter, but hey, you feel like a good person giving him a thumbs up! That is what matters. There is a time and a place for politics. Maybe some people just want to escape life for a few hours on Sun. But nope, you libs can't let that happen. You have to inject it into EVERYTHING. I don't want to see a left or right messages being given before, during, or after the game. I just want to see a football game without twats like bob costas preaching about gun control at half time. I'd like to watch movie or tv show without some leftist garbage shoved in. Now they're coming for gaming
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    Youre the the one who sounds like a whiner to me. Police brutality does exist whether you want to believe it or not. And if our dishonest president can make money off china, russia and mexico I don't see why any other citizens shouldn't be allowed to earn a living as long as its not illegal. The difference is Kaepernick didnt take the oath of office. Presidents are supposed to be held to a higher standard. But i forgot, hypocrisy is something our president bathes in on a daily basis and you are a blind supporter so i can see why you are being a hypocrite as well. And as for leftist coming for gaming. Thats BS too. If you dont like a game dont buy it. Its either that or start your own company to make games. Other than that there isnt much peple can do. We are just gamers. We dont own shit. Publishers are going to do what they want at the en of the day.

    It's not that I think these cities burning are being run by liberals, they ARE being run by liberals this is a fact. That is unless you think Sea, Minneapolis and Chi are some meccas of conservatism.
    And its also a fact that Florida, Texas and Arizona are not run by liberals. States where coronavirus numbers are steadily going up. Oh, I forgot its all just a hoax according to you Trump supporters. It will just go away on its own. Only someone unfit for office would say something like that.

    It is not conservatives asking for police to be taken out of the inner city and be replaced with social workers. It is not the right comparing the looting and violence to the Boston Tea Party. It is not my side who is championing a marxist org like BLM. I'm sorry, you don't get to pin this on the right. We are not the one's using a tragedy to bring about a cultural revolution. We are not the ones wanting to demonize all of America and erase its past. We are not the ones defacing Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas. That is the left.
    Another asinine comment, But im not surprised that you say bigoted stuff. I dont see anyone trying to erase the past. You cant erase the past and you also cant pretend it never happened. But whats going on today is just as much about the present.

    If you look at the stats of police brutality, as well as killings, you would see that the narrative going on is based on lies.
    You can go ahead and insult my intelligence about Trump all you want, that will not change the fact I have truth and am guided by that truth. You have feelings and believe whatever would rather be liked than informed.
    Nah, its not based on lies. Its actually based on facts but thats something you trump supporters cant seem to grasp. You support a person who lies on a daily basis so i can see why you have those views. If you dont see it then it cant be true, right?
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    • splay912
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      crazyspecops!! Thank you for your service despite the realities we often face in this America!

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    Hey, so given how moral you all are, I guess Biden lying about Ukraine is no big deal right? Right now the left is actively engaged in stealing an election. It's time to chose country over party. I'm going to be blunt, if you all don't think that finding 100K ballots in the middle of the night that are all for the same candidate is suspicious, then I question your intelligence.

    HAHAH just skimmed some of the replies and I see "bigoted" thrown out. Not going to waste my time with people who cannot debate the issues and have to resort to calling be a bigot or whatever. Crazy........ when you put you big boy pants and can actually debate, then hit me up. The fact that you throw out the labels shows you really don't have the capacity to talk from an intellectual place but rather emotion.


    You cowards want to hide under the bed from this virus, have mob rule because a cop dared shoot a THUG who was coming at him, you go ahead. The rest of us adults have a society to contribute to. We have lives to lead. You see, I'm not a selfish person who expects my neighbor to slip into poverty due to a lockdown just so I can feel more secure. That is the epitome of selfishness. I back the police, not rapists, murderers and other human trash. I've never thought I'd see the day where these kind of people would be valued more than the police, yet here we are.

    You are men no? Then start acting like it and stop blaming others for your place in life. Stop begging white liberals to make life fair for you. Demand your party starts working for you rather than using you for a vote.

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      Dude, you have no room to talk about lying. Trump tells lies every time he opens his mouth. And there werent any 100k ballots found anywhere. Its just another one of the many lies Trump likes to spew to make himself feel better about the election.

      @splay912...Thanks for your gratitude. Its much appreciated.
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    angryguy77 But you're not actually debating, you're engaged in the same name calling and labeling you accuse others of... "Question your intelligence", "don't have the capacity to talk from an intellectual place but rather emotion" ok, seems like your post is rather emotional (e.g. from your emotions). "Cowards", "THUG" and the beat goes on. So let me actually answers your questions and provide a more "big boy pants" perspective than you've shown.

    "Hey, so given how moral you all are, I guess Biden lying about Ukraine is no big deal right?"

    It is a big deal, but so is 45 not sharing his tax returns. Tax returns help verify and substantiate that a Presidential candidate has no conflict of interests, like foreign business dealings which could compromise the country with an external entity using such conflict of interests to sway the Presidents allegiance. But I guess we'll just take 45's word that there are no conflict of interests, so likewise we should accept that Biden claims he did not lie about the Ukraine.

    "Right now the left is actively engaged in stealing an election. It's time to chose country over party. I'm going to be blunt, if you all don't think that finding 100K ballots in the middle of the night that are all for the same candidate is suspicious, then I question your intelligence." ​​​​

    The American political system has been broken for decades. Remember when politics used to be about balancing differences of opinion? We could agree to disagree because elected officials were "committed" to uniting the nation. The founding fathers established a two party political system as a counter balance of viewpoints and ideas represented by each party. 45 has done irreparable damage to an already broken political system, from which America will never recover.
    So let's talk about mail-in ballots. I can't speak for other states, but in Pennsylvania residents were mailed documents to request a mail-in ballot. Each resident had to fill out the document with the requested/relevant information, return it and once verified a mail-in ballot would be sent to them. That ballot would need to be completed, signed and returned using the required envelopes. Once received by the elections board, the signature is verified and any questionable signatured ballots are set aside for further verification.

    A simple google search shows 45's attempt to suppress voting in Pennsylvania, with ZERO evidence of fraud presented from them.
    Filed a lawsuit to kill ballot drop off boxes:
    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...n-pennsylvania
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN26V0RT
    https://www.npr.org/2020/10/10/92267...n-pennsylvania

    Invalidate any ballots in which signatures did not match exactly:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38d_story.html

    Block a deadline extension that states any ballots postmarked by 8pm election day and received up to 3 days later could still be counted:
    https://www.wtae.com/article/new-law...line/34453011#

    All speculative information brought forth by 45 through the suits were rejected by PA Supreme Court, because 45 could provide ZERO evidence to support the claims, although they did leave room for this to be revisited which is understandable.
    Then after the election, 45 files a new suit to stop ballot counting in PA. What's ironic, 45 did not file a suit to stop ballot counting in any state he was trailing in votes... If he's ahead we need to stop counting, but if he's behind in a state counting needs to continue.

    Ask yourself a few questions... why is that no Republican Senators or Congressmen have come out to stand with 45 and his assertions that the election is being stolen from him through mail-in ballots? Maybe because 45 can provide ZERO evidence and is pedaling fake news! Maybe because they know that every ballot can be challenged via a recount. If "fake" mail-in ballots was a sure fire way to "win/steal" an election, why wouldn't/hasn't 45 used it to ensure HIS victory? I mean, he's "supposed" to be so smart at "gaming the system" or taking advantage of such opportunities using his business acumen, why drop the ball now? If you can see it as an opportunity for your opponents to use, why wouldn't you utilize it? I'll tell you why, because it's not as easy to accomplish as he makes it out to be. If it was, he would be using it to insure his victory. So please stop with all the election has been stolen via mail-in ballots, because he had the SAME opportunity to "game the system" if it were that simple!!!

    Are there invalid ballots that get through the system... Obviously yes, but again those invalid ballots could very well be from Republican voters as well as Democrats as it is NOT purely a Democratic anomaly!

    "You cowards want to hide under the bed from this virus, have mob rule because a cop dared shoot a THUG who was coming at him, you go ahead. The rest of us adults have a society to contribute to. We have lives to lead. You see, I'm not a selfish person who expects my neighbor to slip into poverty due to a lockdown just so I can feel more secure. That is the epitome of selfishness. I back the police, not rapists, murderers and other human trash. I've never thought I'd see the day where these kind of people would be valued more than the police, yet here we are."

    The epitome of selfishness is when given the opportunity to think about your neighbor, you'd rather your neighbor would die from a disease which could have been brought within controllable levels. Yup Clayton died from that there covid, fortunately it only heavily impacts people of color, old folks and people with pre-existing conditions... We can do without them! Contrary to your assumptions, I make a marketable contribution to society everyday. I back the police, not rapists, murderers and other human trash. What I don't back is murderers who hide behind a law enforcement badge. What country do you live in where rapist, murderers and human trash are valued more than the police? Oh... You must be a victim of all the propaganda this country has been inundated with from foreign actors sowing discord with fake ballots and such!

    "You are men no? Then start acting like it and stop blaming others for your place in life. Stop begging white liberals to make life fair for you. Demand your party starts working for you rather than using you for a vote."

    I've never begged for anything and never blamed anyone for my lot in life. I am a man and have ALWAYS taken responsibility for everything I am and will be. You talk a good game, but deep down inside you see me as inferior, so I've had to work twice as hard to overcome all the "labels" you like to use on me which aren't true. So as an independent, I don't expect anything from either party because the political system in America is broken and stuck on the hamsters wheel of... Republican President in control, then Democrats must undermine everything to win in the next cycle. Democratic President in control, then Republicans must undermine everything to win in the next cycle. If you don't see that, then I need to question your intelligence.

    Lot's more to say, but I'll leave it there.
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      Dont waste your time trying to reason with someone like him. He just another bigot making excuses for Donald Trump's behavior. Trump is losing the election and they will make any excuse in the world to make it look like this election was stolen from him when we all know all the damage was self-inflicted. A lot of willful ignorant voters got him elected and now they cant deal with the fact that his bigotry and racism are part of the reasons he will be unemployed very soon.

    • splay912
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      crazyspecops!! I hear you, but it's important that his perspective doesn't go unchallenged. I just watch the President of the United States on TV flat out lie (Again) about the mail in ballot process in Pennsylvania. He talked about the mail in votes being counted in PA and GA need to stop (because he's ahead), but the mail in votes in AZ and NV should continue to be counted (because he's behind). 45 told Republicans to NOT use mail in ballots, so Republican voters showed out at the polls. Because of COVID, Democrats pushed for voters to use mail in ballots early and now, when all the mail in ballots are being counted, there are questions as to why so many are for Biden. These states have been broadcasting for months that the mail in and absentee ballots would be counted AFTER the poll votes and that it would likely be days before completed. 45 called mail in ballots "illegal" and since Republican voters trust in 45, it's no wonder there are LESS mail in ballots for 45 and people are SHOCKED to see 45's lead decrease... You can't make this stuff up!

      In reality, I believe this was his plan all along because he's a sore loser. He wants to be able to say the election was stolen, when in fact the people of the republic voted him out!!!

      So I need to make a correction, Ohio and Florida were able to start counting their mail in ballots early so you had the inverse happen, where Biden started with the lead in those states and once election day votes were counted, it became obvious Trump was victorious there. Pennsylvania wanted to change the process to begin counting early, but were denied in the PA legislature, so here they are counting ballots.
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